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		<title>by: Edd Hurt</title>
		<link>http://livinginstereo.com/?p=369#comment-27861</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>yeah, that's good, Barry.  I like Dale Watson but methinks he protests too much.  I like him best when he's just writing good songs and not evoking the spirit of Johnny Cash.  Dunno if any of y'all have hied over to this site that my buddy Yuval Taylor and his co-author  (of &quot;Faking It,&quot; an exceptionally fine music book)  Hugh Baker have cooked up, at fakingit.typepad.com, but it's smart stuff and addresses the issues of &quot;authenticity&quot; and conservatism and so forth that Charles' post hints at quite effectively.  In many ways, I'm a musical conservative; in real life I'm a liberal and a believer in the kind of collectivepolitical action that usually scares conservatives.  So, I love soul music, and do think, I guess, that the evangelical aspects of neo-soul have often outweighed the musicality of same.  Yet I respond to the vocal obsessions and what I perceive as the essential good nature of soul music--be it Joss Stone or D'Angelo or Al Green or Laura Lee--in ways that I probably don't to other music.  But I do think neo-soul performers get hung up on &quot;authentic&quot; in ways that can be unhealthy.  Am I wrong?  I love Lewis Taylor and many of the performers Charles mentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, that&#8217;s good, Barry.  I like Dale Watson but methinks he protests too much.  I like him best when he&#8217;s just writing good songs and not evoking the spirit of Johnny Cash.  Dunno if any of y&#8217;all have hied over to this site that my buddy Yuval Taylor and his co-author  (of &#8220;Faking It,&#8221; an exceptionally fine music book)  Hugh Baker have cooked up, at fakingit.typepad.com, but it&#8217;s smart stuff and addresses the issues of &#8220;authenticity&#8221; and conservatism and so forth that Charles&#8217; post hints at quite effectively.  In many ways, I&#8217;m a musical conservative; in real life I&#8217;m a liberal and a believer in the kind of collectivepolitical action that usually scares conservatives.  So, I love soul music, and do think, I guess, that the evangelical aspects of neo-soul have often outweighed the musicality of same.  Yet I respond to the vocal obsessions and what I perceive as the essential good nature of soul music&#8211;be it Joss Stone or D&#8217;Angelo or Al Green or Laura Lee&#8211;in ways that I probably don&#8217;t to other music.  But I do think neo-soul performers get hung up on &#8220;authentic&#8221; in ways that can be unhealthy.  Am I wrong?  I love Lewis Taylor and many of the performers Charles mentions.
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		<title>by: Barry M.</title>
		<link>http://livinginstereo.com/?p=369#comment-27724</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hear you.  And believe me, similar issues  follow honky tonk revivals and others in the country ifelds.  It's sort of &quot;Dale Watsn Disease&quot; in those terms.  Too many songs about how they're just not making real country records like this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one..  

But then, loing self-consciousness has always bene a tough problem.  Sees to have soemthing to do with acting--where acting training oftene amounts to years of discipline and efforts not to be thinking about doing, or indicating you're doing--but just dang doing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you.  And believe me, similar issues  follow honky tonk revivals and others in the country ifelds.  It&#8217;s sort of &#8220;Dale Watsn Disease&#8221; in those terms.  Too many songs about how they&#8217;re just not making real country records like this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one..  </p>
<p>But then, loing self-consciousness has always bene a tough problem.  Sees to have soemthing to do with acting&#8211;where acting training oftene amounts to years of discipline and efforts not to be thinking about doing, or indicating you&#8217;re doing&#8211;but just dang doing it!
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		<title>by: Charles</title>
		<link>http://livinginstereo.com/?p=369#comment-27716</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Barry,

I don't think it's inevitable; in fact, the very fact that it could be avoided is what made it so maddening.  It seemed like every &quot;neo-soul&quot; album had to include at least one song that bemoaned the loss of &quot;real music&quot; (usually phrased in just those terms), and that - to guarantee their credibility - &quot;neo&quot; artists had to maintain a certain, vocal ideological presence in their work and public image.  I'm not saying that this was insincere, necessarily, but it was (and still is) nearly ubiquitous among &quot;neo-soul&quot; artists.

To me, the evangelism began to outweigh the actual *music*, which - however &quot;real&quot; the artists thought it was - usually wasn't one-fourth as interesting as the music being made by &quot;mainstream&quot; artists.  That's where I got frustrated.  I agree wholeheartedly with you that a revival doesn't have to be this way, and - at its best moments - &quot;neo-soul&quot; managed to have its cake and eat it too, balancing the philosophy with the music, and making both the richer for it.  Still, I do think that expressly &quot;conscious&quot; musical movements are constrained by certain expectations that don't accompany their stylistic counterparts, and these expectations (for whatever reason) often seem to limit the artists within that movement.  (&quot;Conscious&quot; hip-hop's had a BIG problem with this, even more than &quot;neo-soul,&quot; and it makes sense that the two have often overlapped.)  

Of course, as I mention in the piece, there's also something about &quot;neo-soul&quot; philosophy that I find very important, even necessary, and I think that Jill/Musiq/Angie/etc. deserve some credit for helping set the stage for the current popularity of soul within every sector of pop music.  For that reason, and others, I don't think that evangelism has to doom anything, but I'm not ready to sacrifice the music for the message.  And that's why I love &quot;Baby&quot; so much, and hope that the rest of the record sounds as good.

I feel like I'm rambling a bit, so feel free to try to steer me closer to what you're asking, if need be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s inevitable; in fact, the very fact that it could be avoided is what made it so maddening.  It seemed like every &#8220;neo-soul&#8221; album had to include at least one song that bemoaned the loss of &#8220;real music&#8221; (usually phrased in just those terms), and that - to guarantee their credibility - &#8220;neo&#8221; artists had to maintain a certain, vocal ideological presence in their work and public image.  I&#8217;m not saying that this was insincere, necessarily, but it was (and still is) nearly ubiquitous among &#8220;neo-soul&#8221; artists.</p>
<p>To me, the evangelism began to outweigh the actual *music*, which - however &#8220;real&#8221; the artists thought it was - usually wasn&#8217;t one-fourth as interesting as the music being made by &#8220;mainstream&#8221; artists.  That&#8217;s where I got frustrated.  I agree wholeheartedly with you that a revival doesn&#8217;t have to be this way, and - at its best moments - &#8220;neo-soul&#8221; managed to have its cake and eat it too, balancing the philosophy with the music, and making both the richer for it.  Still, I do think that expressly &#8220;conscious&#8221; musical movements are constrained by certain expectations that don&#8217;t accompany their stylistic counterparts, and these expectations (for whatever reason) often seem to limit the artists within that movement.  (&#8221;Conscious&#8221; hip-hop&#8217;s had a BIG problem with this, even more than &#8220;neo-soul,&#8221; and it makes sense that the two have often overlapped.)  </p>
<p>Of course, as I mention in the piece, there&#8217;s also something about &#8220;neo-soul&#8221; philosophy that I find very important, even necessary, and I think that Jill/Musiq/Angie/etc. deserve some credit for helping set the stage for the current popularity of soul within every sector of pop music.  For that reason, and others, I don&#8217;t think that evangelism has to doom anything, but I&#8217;m not ready to sacrifice the music for the message.  And that&#8217;s why I love &#8220;Baby&#8221; so much, and hope that the rest of the record sounds as good.</p>
<p>I feel like I&#8217;m rambling a bit, so feel free to try to steer me closer to what you&#8217;re asking, if need be.
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		<title>by: Barry M.</title>
		<link>http://livinginstereo.com/?p=369#comment-27715</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gla to hear about the happy &quot;ending&quot; (or moment!) there, Charles, but could you speak a little more to this pint you made: &quot;...evangelism ... made “neo-soul” artists so simultaneously comforting and, frankly, rather boring.&quot;

Are you saying this is inevitable--that a deliberate revival will inevitbaly be artificial, limited and boring?  How come?  My observation is that the question is whether they take on a life of their own, move forward--but are you saying that the very deliberateeness, or even just mentioningthe delberateness  out loud (&quot;evangelism&quot;) dooms such projects?

Or what ?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gla to hear about the happy &#8220;ending&#8221; (or moment!) there, Charles, but could you speak a little more to this pint you made: &#8220;&#8230;evangelism &#8230; made “neo-soul” artists so simultaneously comforting and, frankly, rather boring.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you saying this is inevitable&#8211;that a deliberate revival will inevitbaly be artificial, limited and boring?  How come?  My observation is that the question is whether they take on a life of their own, move forward&#8211;but are you saying that the very deliberateeness, or even just mentioningthe delberateness  out loud (&#8221;evangelism&#8221;) dooms such projects?</p>
<p>Or what ?</p>
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